Whether it's a school shooting or a political assassination acts of violence, create tragedies and fear in communities.

But our next guest argues that they should also be viewed the same way we view outbreaks of disease.

He argues in his new book, the end of violence, eliminating the world's most dangerous epidemic.

That violence should be treated as just that an epidemic.

But one that can be cured.

Joining us is Doctor Gary Slick and author of the End.

The violence as well as physician, epidemiologist and founder of Cure Violence, Global first known in Chicago as cease-fire, Dr Slick.

And welcome back.

Thanks for joining us.

It's great to be with you.

Thanks.

So you've long referred to violence as a disease and not.

>> Metaphorically.

How is violence like tuberculosis?

Measles?

Yeah, they follow the same rules of how they spread.

I mean, some go lungs respiratory and intestinal system sent this one goes to the brain.

>> So we figured out a way how.

Vines goes from one person to another, how it goes within a community and how it goes from one country to another as well.

And this is one of the things that really struck me in the research that I was doing.

Additional.

We had already shown the town's behaves like an epidemic.

That was clear just by looking at way that the waves in may apps charts graphs, the clustering.

We then went about in the first years of cease fire, which started, of course, here in Chicago.

It responded the first time we tried it, it got a 67% wrap.

That is to say the method itself.

But since cease-fire became, as you mentioned, cure violence, global.

This is work now in 60 cities in 20 countries.

>> And into that point, you know, how did the violence prevention model that you developed here in Chicago?

How does it serve as a blueprint for other cities and countries that you work?

It already has.

And I meant by so many names.

I mean, here in Chicago, it's being run by communities, partnering for Peace for credit, instant for nonviolence and others.

But it's going now by dozens of names in thousands of organizations and at least 90 cities.

There's a dozen cities or more that have gone to 50 or 60 year lows, some to record lows.

The country as a whole you may know is at the lowest rate since for 125 years.

And it's just not a coincidence that most of cities and communities are now using parts are all of this approach.

So you also you have research on, you know, how policies have impacted of violence, you know, whether or not being tough on crime and incarceration works.

>> But, you know, speaking about policing, how does the way we police communities in Chicago help or hurt the cycle of violence?

I'm not sure the way it's working in Chicago right now.

I it it's just simply this is a public health approach.

epidemic control for the most part, this is led by communities.

The guidance and training of people who have worked on the epidemics and placing is the backup to the backup.

It's just not the front line.

Because it has too many side effects.

I mean, it is sometimes needed to have a little additional presence, but it's a distraction from the main approach.

And the main approach really is finding the people who as far as violence goes.

Are most likely to do a shooting call might be thinking about in reaching them with people they trust, who are now trained and cooling people down and then changing their perspective.

And then the community has a response part of this.

And so on.

But this is very similar to what we did.

I want when I ran to B control program, we had a reach people who were likely to be spreading it and changing the likelihood of that spread medicines were used.

But fortunately, not needed for violence.

Same thing for kolr.

We are reaching people.

This is in Somalia.

Same thing, people with the same people in the case of arrested right in the case of violence.

The treatment is not in a buyout It is violence intervention by like you said trust and community members who have experienced this perhaps and can talk.

>> Can talk young people often young people down away from change and we know how to do that.

Now we know how to help people get out of the fix.

They're in and that prevents the spread.

And that blocks the next cases.

And that's how I just want to have this in case everybody dozen others.

Just 25 communities that I know of that have gone a year to 3 years with 0 shootings or killings.

In this largely on the East Coast.

3 in this city and also in Latin America and the most violent city in the world in 24 can send pages so and and Honduras, which had a rate of 10 times 10 times.

Chicago's now twice drop 90% in the first 2 years.

This was kick your violence is Latin American team, which super team is the is the the other teams that the organization is, I don't run the organization now.

So it a country like Honduras, for example, I imagine it probably took a great deal of of investment from the community as well as the government to create a 90% reduction like that.

It's always the community just like it is here.

It's always the community.

It's always the people there who were trusted.

We're just guided into how to.

Do the steps pandemic controls a very specific stepwise method of mapping finding out where it's happening, finding out who was trusted, finding out who has it?

the problem, et cetera, and then preventing the spread.

It's always about preventing the spread in the book.

You also talk for Terri and violence disorder.

What is that?

Yes, so that the it's important to realize that violence of all of these forms and you bring this mentioned, several of them, political violence, finance against children against women in the family.

Suicide.

All of these are different forms of the same disorder.

And we know that because they cause each other.

more included.

Authoritarian binds to shorter is what I've been calling now for a few years.

what we're seeing in this country and in other countries.

And what it means is that we need to stop seeing this as pound tax and stop saying it as government but seeing it as violence have no way taken over and we can see this by the violence that's happening by government and cities.

The city has experienced a lot of that.

By the year for him to the immigration raid a little ample mean it's not as if there could be immigration enforcement, but this is brutality, cruelty and violence.

And we also see this through some of the what's called political violence of any form from any side because violence spreads.

It doesn't know one versus another.

It just has this out.

It just takes that opportunity.

I just want to add to this.

They had the book goes through.

There's a whole chapter chapter 8 on finance of the state.

And authoritarian bouncers described as well as the playbook for interrupting it.

To that point, we've got about 30 seconds left.

You provide action items for readers of the book to do their part.

What are those?

Well, there's a lot it for one thing.

There's things you can do yourself, you know, and to prevent your own exposure and that of your children.

And it's also things that you can do for your community to make sure that it has either care bias or some other cvi program.

That is a sufficient intensity.

And so on.

And thus the city here in the Garden state been very good on this.

The book also talks about all the syndromes.

Okay and what and what works for all of them not going to get all the way on show.

They got to read the book.

They want to find Dr Cary's like and thank you so much for joining us.

Yeah, I think the book again, the book is called the End of Violence, eliminating the world's most